Emerson – Alzheimer’s Association
Smith – Author/Resource literature on age-related disease
and healthy aging
Sally Smith: Welcome to Age to Age. I’m Sally Smith. Let’s talk.
We have Fran Emerson with us today, who is a virtual fountain of
information on caregiving. She has
gained experience over many years in this field, with dementia and
Alzheimer’s. She is the program director
for the Charleston
area Alzheimer’s Association. What I
love, in learning more about Fran, is her attitude and way of looking at this
disease in many practical ways. Instead
of judging certain things, she looks at them through the eyes of the patient,
and she has given us some invaluable information.
One of things we just talked about with Fran is common behaviors
for patients with Alzheimer’s, loved ones with Alzheimer’s or dementia. Some of these, of course, come with the
disease, which we have heard much about.
But, actually, some of the causes may be not from the disease. They
may be cloaked, in our eyes, as part of the disease. But, actually, we might find respite from
these problems by looking at issues outside of the actual disease. What are some of these factors that might
lead to behaviors that might be giving us a problem, but not actually caused by
the changes in the brain?
Fran Emerson: There are a
number of issues that we don’t see sometimes.
One of the fundamental things, of course, is, as we grow older, we
collect a lot of medication treatments along the way. And people with a diagnosis of Alzheimer’s
disease often have other diagnoses that are being treated by other
medications. So you may have a cocktail
of medications that isn’t conducive to that person’s well being and state of
mind. So, if there are behaviors,
particularly those that occur out of the blue, take a look at any recent medication
changes and see if adjustments are needed there.
The environment in which we live is crucial. And when there is a change of environment,
you know, that can really trigger some reactions or behaviors that you haven’t
seen before. We talked a lot about this,
particularly over vacation and holiday times.
Let me give you an example.
There’s going to be a family reunion, oh, we’ve got to take Mom to the family reunion. She’s been functioning nicely in her home for
the last five years of her diagnosis, and then suddenly she’s going to be transported
into another house with thirty family members, all very excited, all very
noisy, and overstimulation may well trigger some sort of anxious behavior. It’s usually anxiety.
I mean, I’m not in the first flush of youth and, now, when I get
into a very crowded party situation, I don’t want to stay there for long. You know, we like to become a little quieter
as we get older anyway. So, think of
someone with a diagnosis. They’re
anxious. They’ve got to make sense of
what’s happening around them. So, if you
put them in a different environment, too much noise, too much light, a lot of
conversation they can’t make sense of, there’s going to be a reaction.
Sally Smith: You know, that
makes me think, too, about, just, issues, medical issues on the outside, like
hearing and vision.
Fran Emerson: Yes.
Sally Smith: I realized my
mother, some of the things I thought, actually, were her dementia, I think she
actually wasn’t hearing well.
Fran Emerson: Right.
Sally Smith: And so, she
was out of it. She couldn’t follow the
conversation, and yet, you know, we thought it was all part of this package, or
at least that was our first, early assumption.
But there are probably so many things like that. We got a hearing aid for mother, but she
always said the thing never worked. You
know, she didn’t like it and didn’t want to use, and rejected it. But there are these other pieces of the
puzzle that would take you out of your comfort zone, that would make you feel
like you’re not playing with a full deck of cards, while everybody else is
expecting you to make sense.
Fran Emerson: Exactly.
Sally Smith: That’s
interesting. And, probably, fatigue and
just the exhaustion of being in a big group, I know that’s a real factor,
sometimes, with older people.
Absolutely. Tiredness is a big
one. If you’re going to do something
with your loved one that you think might bring pleasure, like go for a walk,
car ride, or whatever, do it early in the day.
You know, don’t leave it until late afternoon, early evening, because
that’s the time when we’re all kind of winding down. So, when you think of someone with
Alzheimer’s disease, also think about what their life was like before the
diagnosis. You know, things are going to
change dramatically, and some things are a given; at the end of the day, we’re
Sally Smith: Mm hmm. Well, you know, I think,
one thing I remember when I had small children and my husband and I never had
enough time together, he was in medical training, we’d say we’ll take the
children and go away for a week, to the mountains, or whatever, and my mother
would say, no, no, you go away to the
mountains with your husband, and I’ll keep the children. We thought it would be fun, you know, the car
trip, the new adventures, taking a hike.
These were tiny children that were going to be in a backpack, and she
said that would just be overstimulation.
What the child wants is your undivided attention; that’s fun for the
child. A car trip, over a week, with a
lot of restaurants and different stops is not fun. And, as one reaches older age, it’s probably
the same thing. You’re quiet undivided
attention is probably the bigger gift than the fun shopping trip to the mall.
Fran Emerson: Yes.
Sally Smith: Or something
that’s really out of their comfort zone.
I think some what works for a small child, structure, steadiness, quiet,
works, also, at the other end of our life.
Fran Emerson: It does,
indeed. And we know, we know there’s a
lot of research that goes on to show that structure is very important for
someone with dementia.
Sally Smith: Let me ask you
one other thing. I’ve often heard of the
contributing factors that mask as something like dementia, or Alzheimer’s. I’ve heard that depression, not so much from
the Alzheimer’s, can make someone seem as though they have dementia or
Alzheimer’s. Is that something where you
notice there’s a depression and you have someone worked up for depression to
eliminate that as a cause?
Fran Emerson: We always
recommend to family members that if they see someone changing that they look at
those changes and see if there is a possible link with depression, particularly
with someone who has lost a spouse. Now,
often a traumatic incident in life, a fall, a broken hip, or bereavement, can
suddenly expose an undiagnosed dementia.
You know, people can function a long time and hide this if they’re in
their comfort zone, they’ve got a routine, they’re in their own home. But, particularly with a bereavement, if you
see one becoming depressed, it’s very important that you encourage that person
to see a physician, because that depression could be a dementia. Or, what you perceive as someone losing it a
bit, could be depression. But depression
is a huge issue that has a relationship with a dementia. You can become depressed very quickly if you
live on your own, you’re not motivated to do anything, and the medical
profession, those who work in the field, do understand that relationship. If you see anyone depressed, you know, try to
encourage them to get help.
Sally Smith: Well, you
know, a spin off of that, I know a particular lady who has some depression, and
she doesn’t care about eating. She’s
dehydrated. She has just lost
interest. And I see, one of your factors
that leads to behaviors, is dehydration.
Is that common, they just lose interest in drinking enough water or
eating enough food? Is that just part of
what, sometimes, happens?
Fran Emerson: Well, you
have to remember, as we grow older, we are more susceptible to dehydration. We really have to watch our fluid intake and
drink that liter of water, at least everyday, and avoid the possibility of
urinary tract infections. Dehydration
equals urinary tract infections.
Sally Smith: Oh, okay.
Fran Emerson: There is a
link there. We’ve got to be very careful
with that. And it’s more prevalent in
older age. So, that’s a given, apart
from the dementia.
Sally Smith: I see.
Fran Emerson: So, you’ve
got someone with a dementia who becomes dehydrated because they don’t remember
or they’re not able to work out that water is really essential in staying
alive, even, it’s an actual reasoning process, then you have to actually offer
water. In facilities, you can see this. They have a hydration process where they have
regular offerings of liquid. If you’re
dehydrated, yes, your behavior is going to change.
Sally Smith: Wow. Well, there are many factors, and it’s
complicated, but you’re making progress in helping us map our own journeys, as
we see how our loved ones are acting, and ways to solve problems. Thank you so much, Fran, for sharing that
with us, the factors that can lead to behaviors that are even outside of
Alzheimer’s, but seem to be part of it.
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